Bed levelling

Hi

Got my K8400 up and running. Great fun building it :slight_smile:

But as of now I got a problem when I’m levelling the build platform.
I follow the instructions of levelling by the three levelling screws. And when I’ve dialed it in perfect (with a folded sheet of paper) it stills just about scrape the the buildplate a the middle point (100,100) .
Could this be caused by the glass not being perfectly flat?
I’ve checked for airbubbles between the build glass and buildtak sheet, there are none.

Best regards

Hi,

Can you check if the aluminium plate where the glass plate rests on is perfectly flat?

Sincerely

You can also turn the glass plate over and look for air bubbles

[quote=“VEL327”]Hi,

Can you check if the aluminium plate where the glass plate rests on is perfectly flat?

Sincerely[/quote]Thank you for the reply.

I’ve just tested by placing the glass plate on the aluminium without using the bed clips and I can tip the glass plate to both sides and front and back, not much but there is a bit of play.
It’s as if the aluminium plate is a bit… I think it’s called convex.

[quote=“Wrong Way”]You can also turn the glass plate over and look for air bubbles[/quote]Already did :slight_smile:

[quote=“DaKrunz”]I’ve checked for airbubbles between the build glass and buildtak sheet, there are none.[/quote]But thank you for the answer :slight_smile:

I was hoping it would be something simple.

Sorry to read you experience troubles.
You could try to straighten the alu plate by slightly applying pressure on the edges.
If you do not succeed, then we suggest to return the plate for inspection/exchange.

[quote=“VEL417”]Sorry to read you experience troubles.
You could try to straighten the alu plate by slightly applying pressure on the edges.
If you do not succeed, then we suggest to return the plate for inspection/exchange.[/quote]

Thank you for the reply.

I tried carefully straighten the alu plate a bit and it seems to have helped. I’ve tried printing some smaller (40 x 40 x 10 mm) pieces and it went fine.
It seems to be making some kind of “ripples” on the surface of the printed pieces though, as if some of the layers are just a little bit wider than the others. I will try and get some pictures of it and start a new thread as I’m guessing this has nothing to do with the beds flatness. Maybe the noozle just need to settle in?

Best Regards

Are the ripples in the Z direction and are they returning in a pattern (1.5mm spacing)?

Spot on, yes to both.

That is called Z wobble and the printer should not have it. Can you check if the threaded rod rests on the motor shaft inside the Z coupler and if so can you loosen the two setscrews of the threaded rod lift it about 1mm and tighten them again and print another object and see if the Z wobble is still there.

I did that when i assembled the printer. I’ve just doubled checked, the threaded rod do not rest on the Z coupler.
I’ve printed some more tests and the Z wobble is still there.

Would it help if I posted some pictures?

Feel free to post some images.

Can you print something with the threaded rod resting on the motor?

[quote=“VEL327”]Feel free to post some images.

Can you print something with the threaded rod resting on the motor?[/quote]

I’ve tried printing something with the threaded rod resting on the motor.


The one on the left is from when the rod where raised from the motor. The one on the right is when the rod rests on the motor


This is from when the rod rests on the motor


This is from when the rod is raised from the motor

Try to put a little ball (maybe from a bearing or some) between the rod and the motor axis.
This will the rod allow to move free horizontally while being held by the motor axis (and the ball) vertically.

[quote=“ichbinsnur”]Try to put a little ball (maybe from a bearing or some) between the rod and the motor axis.
This will the rod allow to move free horizontally while being held by the motor axis (and the ball) vertically.[/quote]

But still use the Z coupler, correct? I tried it with a small ball from a bearing and the Z coupler, but it didn’t help… Thanks for the advice anyway :slight_smile:

What is causing the Z wobble? I’ve disassembled/assembled the Z stage twice now, but it hasn’t done much. The Ø10mm rods has a bit of tension when placed into the Z rod mounts (K8400-MQP-ZRM1), could that be the cause for the wobble?
The threaded rod seems to be straight when rolled over a table. But when it’s assembled the rod do wobble a bit at the top.

Yes, exactly.

[quote=“DaKrunz”]What is causing the Z wobble? I’ve disassembled/assembled the Z stage twice now, but it hasn’t done much. The Ø10mm rods has a bit of tension when placed into the Z rod mounts (K8400-MQP-ZRM1), could that be the cause for the wobble?
The threaded rod seems to be straight when rolled over a table. But when it’s assembled the rod do wobble a bit at the top.[/quote]

Wobble in z axis is mostly caused by a non smooth running linear guide.
A wobbly theaded rod/leadscrew may cause it too.

As you said you have tension on the gouding rods, that may cause the bed move in stic/slip motion, resulting in uneven layers.
Reassemble the z axis guide again and make sure it moves very smooth along the whole range with no tension.

Could you check your Z-coupler to make sure the 5mm hole and 8 mm hole are centered in respect to each other?

Just checked, they are centered in respect to each other.

I’m going to try and disassemble and assemble the Z stage one more time to see if it helps.

Best regards

Since you are going to take it apart you may want to put some oil in the bearings.
Just a thought