Tip: printing on plain paper

Ive been trying to print some really large parts of a tricopter (thingiverse.com/thing:149762) and even in PLA it would warp badly enough that it was unusable. When I printed on blue tape, the edges would bend upwards. I tried increasing the bed temperature but that makes the glue of the tape less effective and the print would actually pull the tape off the glass bed. I know some people are successful printing PLA directly on the glass, but that never worked for me.

In a desperate attempt, and because I had run out of blue tape, I decided to try something I read once upon a time: ordinary paper. Now paper doesnt stick obviously, so even when taped to the bed it will allow bulging. But here is the thing, it will allow bulging in the center of the bed, not at the ends where its taped to the glass. And the model will curl up at the edges, not the center. TO further reduce any chance of warping, I increased my bed temperature to 70C, hoping it would keep the PLA flexible enough to not bulge.

With the exception of one small flaw, the first layer was put down better than any first layer Ive ever seen on my printer. The layer has lot of tiny holes, and it looked like it came out of a laser printer instead of an extrusion printer. The timelapse is still processing, but here you can see my printer laying down the second layer on top of the first one:

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Look at that smooth finish.

When the print completed, I wont lie, the front ends of the print (right top and bottom in the video) were still curled up ever so slightly, but its perfectly usable this time

The biggest surprise: the print came off the paper with no trouble at all. I had feared I would have to somehow dissolve the paper as I expected the PLA to fuse with it, I thought I might even need to sand the model, but nope, it popped off without leaving any traces! In fact it came off so easily I wonder how well it really stuck to it in the first place.

Anyway, thought Id share. Ill post some pics of the object later.

Hi,

Thanks for the tip.
This is very interesting and worth a try during my next print.

FWIW, I used ordinary laser/inkjet paper straight from my printer tray… when printing a small object, you probably want to cut the paper so its not much bigger than the object, then tape it to your bed. A bit of hassle perhaps, but I do fear if your paper is much larger than your object, since the paper doesnt stick, the object will be free to curl up. Then again, maybe you dont need to, find out and let us know :slight_smile:

Next up is testing static adhesive window foil. I stumbled upon on it in the hardware store and figured it might just work, though I have no idea what its made off (pet?).

edit: started printing on the window foil; I think we have a(nother) winner here!

PLA sticks really well to it, but you can peel it off, its not fused. I only removed the skirt and it was fairly difficult.
The foil is very easy to apply, just use some soapy water. As for the foil sticking to the bed; for lateral movements it sticks really well, no problem there, its not going to move. But when pulled upwards (like when the print curls up) Im less convinced. It may need some spring clips or something, time will tell, but so far it looks very promising!

I would also think the paper sticks to much to the print.
Did the edges curl up with the paper or loos from the paper.

Maybe sticking the paper on with hair lacquer(don’t know how its called exactly) could help. Or use some thin cardboard, the sell at the hobby shops.
I mean the one with a white coat on it they use for painting.

I did print a small product with success right of the mirror, i must say it leaves also a mirror Finnish on the surface that i really like.

At my work we use alu sheets in 2 or 3 or even 4 and 5 mm thick, i think i will try to use that without tape.

[quote=“2stimpy”]I would also think the paper sticks to much to the print.
Did the edges curl up with the paper or loos from the paper.[/quote]

It still stuck to the paper as far I could tell, but the paper offered almost no resistance in the Z axis.

[quote]Maybe sticking the paper on with hair lacquer(don’t know how its called exactly) could help. Or use some thin cardboard, the sell at the hobby shops.
I mean the one with a white coat on it they use for painting.[/quote]

Yep, that might work. I was also thinking of gluing the paper with Pritt or something, but I fear the high temperature will render the glue too weak. Anyway, check my edit above, that window foil may just be the ticket.

Tested some more with the window film; when heated above 60C or so, it gets really tacky and rubber like, and very “fluid”. So much that when I pulled my object off while the bed was 70C it deformed the film in a way that appeared permanent. But letting it cool down a bit, and reapplying with some water and swiping a credit card over it, its again nice and smooth, ready for another print.

I dont know what its made off, it smells like the same material they make inflatable swimming pools from, it feels more like rubber or silicone.

I dont think it will stand up to high bed temps for ABS, but for PLA, Im liking this a lot so far.

Did your print stay flat?
Would love to see pictures of the downside of your print.

P4man,
I first had also problems with PLA but printing PLA is easy when you use glue (simple white wood glue) in a little bit of water 50/50 or stronger when you print large objects, you have to try it. You only bring it on once and you can print a long time with it. Bring it on with a brush when the print bed is 50°C and it will dry very quickly.

I have a problem with printing ABS, I have tryed several times like discribed here in the forum but with no succes at this moment, grrrrrr… Sombody has any suggestions?

Kris De Voecht

[quote=“2stimpy”]Did your print stay flat?
Would love to see pictures of the downside of your print.[/quote]

Blue tape left, paper right. Everything else identical, same filament, same gcode

Surface look almost the same but with the paper it way more flat.

Its difficult to photograph, especially black prints, but the one on the paper is considerably more matte, but also more even/uniform.
Keep in mind this was sliced in Slic3r which doesnt exactly fill in very logically, as you can see in the video above. Thats causing the “banding”.

[quote=“dxn812”]P4man,
I first had also problems with PLA but printing PLA is easy when you use glue (simple white wood glue) in a little bit of water 50/50 or stronger when you print large objects, you have to try it. You only bring it on once and you can print a long time with it. Bring it on with a brush when the print bed is 50°C and it will dry very quickly.[/quote]

ANd can you easily remove the glue? Since IM guessing this wont work very well with ABS?

[quote]I have a problem with printing ABS, I have tryed several times like discribed here in the forum but with no succes at this moment, grrrrrr… Sombody has any suggestions?
[/quote]

Making ABS stick is actually easy :p. Apply kapton tape, then paint the tape with a thin layer of acetone in which you dissolved some ABS for several hours or overnight. The acetone will evaporate and leave a thin layer of ABS on the kapton, and obviously, ABS adheres to ABS pretty well. It even works to some extend for PLA.

Today i tried printing on bare aluminium, no success.
Also tried on anodized aluminium, also no success.

I have a powder coated piece aluminium to test next but i am afraid this also won’t be successful.

The blue tape works good for most of the products but the tape is expensive and after a good print i have to replace it.

Also read about kapton, will this last longer and is that tape easy to remove?