Improved range for Bode plotter (PCSU1000/PCGU1000)

Dear Velleman

Would it possible for you to make this extended frequency range (eventually up to 10MHz) awailable for the bode-plot for the combination PCS500 / PCGU1000 combination - I would be so happy !!

Actually I just bought the PCGU1000 today for doing this pode-plot - as I thought your changes to the software mentioned above would work on my PCS500/PCGU1000 combination :frowning:

The software version installation I have is
“PcLab2000SE_v4_04_setup.exe”

Thanks in advance

Rene’

PS: A question: I tried the “sine4f” waveform and it seem to work fine - why not extend the generator frequency range all the way up to the 8MHz?

Thank you for the suggestion.
The combination PCS500/PCGU1000 will be also soon modified for the Bode plot up to 5MHz.
The 10MHz is not acceptable for the Bode plot option because of the signal attenuation of about 0.5dB.
At 5MHz the attenuation is about 0.2dB.

[quote]A question: I tried the “sine4f” waveform and it seem to work fine - why not extend the generator frequency range all the way up to the 8MHz?[/quote]You can output frequencies above 2MHz by using the sweep option.
Set equal Start and Stop frequencies and click the Start Sweep button

Thank you for your prompt response and help!

Where can I get the modified version?

Do you have a web-address where the user always can get the newest version? -could be a good idea:-)

By the way: What is the difference between the PC-Lab2000SE and the PC-Lab2000LT ?

I know it has been mentioned before - I also believe that the Velleman company could benefit from releasing the source-code as Open Source - the customers could modify and expand the functionality of the software for their needs and share their new functions with you and others - I really think you could sell quite some more hardware in this way.

  • just a suggestion (from a scientist)
  • Velleman is a company for the electronics hobbyist /professional - isn’t it :slight_smile:

best regards
Rene’

[quote]Where can I get the modified version?[/quote]I’ll inform you in this thread the link where you can download the pre-release version of the PcLab2000SE when the modification is done

[quote]Do you have a web-address where the user always can get the newest version? -could be a good idea:-)[/quote]Yes, the last “official” release can be downloaded from this page: velleman.eu/support/download … 1000&type=

[quote]By the way: What is the difference between the PC-Lab2000SE and the PC-Lab2000LT ?[/quote]PcLab2000LT is for the oscilloscope/function generator PCSGU250: velleman.eu/products/view/?id=377622

I’ll inform you in this thread the link where you can download the pre-release version of the PcLab2000SE when the modification is done

Thank you for your help - sorry if I sounded impatient…

Have some measurements to do… :slight_smile:

/Rene’

The software is now updated.
Here is the link to download it: box.net/shared/c9nis5ro05if3oop9ptk

This is a “quick fix” - please test.

I have done some test now and it works fine !

Hope you don’t spend your weekends on this …?

Thanks a lot for your help - the feature will be used right now…

best regards
Rene’

Thank you for the feedback.

[quote]Hope you don’t spend your weekends on this …?[/quote]It was no problem to make the software modification.
If everything OK, this modification will be in the next “official” release of the PcLab2000SE.

Yet a desire to the bode plot function…:

It is possible to choose between “linear frequency step” or “log frequency step” however:

a) “linear frequency step” - takes a wery long time to do a fequency sweep - especially when going from 100Hz to 5MHz

b) “log frequency step” - makes a wery coase frequency plot - especially at high frequencies.

Would it be possible to make something in between = the possibility to chooe a equal number of frequency steps per division and a field to key in the desired number of frequency steps per division in the scan ?


Another one:
The function generator: when changing the frequency of the generator (0-2MHz): Would it be possible to choose which digit to modify by the mouse scrool wheel (just like it is working on the proffesional frequency generators) - could be a good function when looking for resonances.


regards
Rene’

Thank you for the suggestions.

Indeed, using the linear frequency step is not very convenient if the frequency span is very large.
I think better to use the logarithmic step and use low the frequency step size on the frequency range of interest. Just press the Pause button and change the frequency step size (in Options menu).
Then click the Pause button again to continue the plot.

You can also use the Options menu option “Show Multiple Traces” to run different decades with different linear step size.
The only problem that when looking the complete plot you get different colors for different decades.

Thank you

However, the resulting data files would be very uneven, making it hard to use afterwards for various signal analysis (deconvolution etc.)

So… please…

Regards
Rene’

Do you think the 1/x octave frequency steps will do the job?
Below is a quote from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3048&start=30

Now there is this “more professional” octave step mode added to the Bode Plotter of the PCSGU250.
There are following settings available 1/3, 1/6, 1/12, 1/24 and 1/48 octave.
It is possible change the frequency step by selecting the Options menu item Frequency Step Size.
The octave step setting is remembered to the next session.[/quote]

For the peoble working with audio and hearing etc. I think the octave steps sugested would be a wery usefuld feature.

I my case, I need to do a linear frequency sweep from 0 to 5MHz in 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 163842 or 32768 steps (the larst ones may too long time)

In physics, linear frequency sweeps is mostly used.

Would it be possible ?

Now the problem is solved - I hope.
Now the Bode Plot frequency step size can be freely selected.

If you now want to have linear frequency sweep from 100Hz to 5MHz in 64 steps, you can do following:

  1. Calculate the frequency step size 5MHz/64 = 78125
  2. Calculate how many % this is compared to the starting frequency 100Hz
  3. It is 78125%
  4. Select Options -> Frequency Step Size and enter to the combo box 78125.

Here is a snippet of the output file:

Hz Vrms dBV deg 100 1.753 4.856 78225 1.734 4.761 156350 1.743 4.806 234475 1.753 4.854 312600 1.757 4.873 … 4765725 1.648 4.318 4843850 1.671 4.438 4921975 1.663 4.396 5000100 1.665 4.405

Here is the link to download the updated PcLab2000SE version 4.04: box.net/shared/c9nis5ro05if3oop9ptk

Have now tested it and it seems to work just fine, hope it will stay (in some form) in the next “official” release.

Thank you for your promt help.

Error/reminder:

Have now done a measurement overnight:
Tried to do a sweep from 100Hz to 5MHz in 14400 datapoints -> stepsize = 347.2%

Next morning the generator has stopped at 5MHz (4995kHz) but the plot and the datafile has stopped already at 473.334kHz.

The computer is running Windows 98

I wonder if this could be due to the (known) limitation of the text-editor carried with Windows - which in Win98 has the limitation that the file/text size must be kept below 64kB (klio-byte)

When I save the data, the resulting datafile becomes 36.4kB (carries 1339 datapopints)

Have a screenshot and the datafile for you.

[quote]I wonder if this could be due to the (known) limitation of the text-editor carried with Windows - which in Win98 has the limitation that the file/text size must be kept below 64kB (klio-byte)[/quote]Yes, this limitation seems to be Windows 98 related. The “workaround” is to use Windows 2000 or newer operating system.

Important:
PCS500 does not run on 64-bit operating systems.

There are plenty more text editors to go around that handle text files properly

pnotepad.org/

It is the buildt-in editor I am thinking on - where the software writes the measured data (lower right corner) - this editor is (especially when using the Delphi “edit” - visual component) actually an editor carried by the windows system.

  • with the 64kB limitation
  • however - the resulting datafile actually becomes only 36kB (which is not an “full” editor).